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		<title>By: Horses, Food and Moral Superiority &#171; Totalrecoil</title>
		<link>http://totalrecoil.wordpress.com/2008/03/30/misguided-laws/#comment-3427</link>
		<dc:creator>Horses, Food and Moral Superiority &#171; Totalrecoil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 05:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Food and Moral&#160;Superiority  There have been some impassioned comments after my blog on the closing of horse slaughterhouses in the U.S. The general tone was that the arguments for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://totalrecoil.wordpress.com/2008/03/30/misguided-laws/#comment-3417</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you expect us to believe that horse slaughter was so well regulated here when we can see consistently that our beef supply is regulated so poorly?  I don&#039;t know about you, but I would rather have my government inspectors regulating a product in our country that our citizens actually eat.

Oh, that&#039;s right, the slaughterhouses were paying the USDA directly for their inspections.  How many violations would you hand out to your employer who was responsible for paying your salary?  No wonder that the courts found that set-up illegal.

The horse slaughter industry is based on greed, pure and simple.  It&#039;s time that those who made a choice to buy or breed a horse live up to their responsibility instead of dumping it and expecting to collect a check.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you expect us to believe that horse slaughter was so well regulated here when we can see consistently that our beef supply is regulated so poorly?  I don&#8217;t know about you, but I would rather have my government inspectors regulating a product in our country that our citizens actually eat.</p>
<p>Oh, that&#8217;s right, the slaughterhouses were paying the USDA directly for their inspections.  How many violations would you hand out to your employer who was responsible for paying your salary?  No wonder that the courts found that set-up illegal.</p>
<p>The horse slaughter industry is based on greed, pure and simple.  It&#8217;s time that those who made a choice to buy or breed a horse live up to their responsibility instead of dumping it and expecting to collect a check.</p>
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		<title>By: lj</title>
		<link>http://totalrecoil.wordpress.com/2008/03/30/misguided-laws/#comment-3416</link>
		<dc:creator>lj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to mention that the inspection of horse meat is not nearly as adhered to as the beef in this country is. And it&#039;s not as safe as so many would believe either. We routinely give our horses medicines that are poisonous to humans if consumed. There is no way to eat horsemeat that is safe for humans! Do we care so little for the Europeans as to allow them to eat this meat knowing it could kill them? I&#039;m ever amazed that this point of fact is not brought up more frequently and with more conviction. Hello? We&#039;re allowing people in Europe to eat our poisoned meat!! Is killing people okay now with this plant owners? That is essentially what they are doing!! Horse slaughter is a sensitive and an emotional issue. I won&#039;t say that emotions don&#039;t enter into it. They do!! More than emotions, it&#039;s an issue that screams of being a Right or Wrong issue! It&#039;s wrong to betray the animal who&#039;s been solely responsible for the state of our country today!! These animals have been our friend throughout our history! How is it right to condemn them to death when they&#039;ve done so much. This is such a betrayal to what I deem to be one of God&#039;s greatest gifts to mankind. And what do we do? Murder them in a most torturous way? C&#039;mon people, how can this even be an issue to debate? And BTW the captive bolt does not kill a horse and more often than not, doesn&#039;t even render them unconscious so it&#039;s not at all in any way humane. Ms. Beaver of the AVMA has grossly broken her oath to cause no harm as does any Veterinarian who believes that slaughter is humane. It is cruel and torturous for these horses and I know this because I&#039;ve been to the slaughter house and have seen it first hand. It is ugly and the cruelest end I&#039;ve ever witnessed!! Don&#039;t base your conclusions on these pro slaughter articles screaming we&#039;ll have thousands of unwanted, neglected horses roaming the streets. This is just baloney and not any that should be bought or sold to the American public. I&#039;m not basing my statements over the emotional issues. There are other factors that involve human health that are being overlooked. Get your facts straight and do some research. The facts are easy to find. They&#039;re out there if you want to report truth!! Save some people, Don&#039;t eat horses!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to mention that the inspection of horse meat is not nearly as adhered to as the beef in this country is. And it&#8217;s not as safe as so many would believe either. We routinely give our horses medicines that are poisonous to humans if consumed. There is no way to eat horsemeat that is safe for humans! Do we care so little for the Europeans as to allow them to eat this meat knowing it could kill them? I&#8217;m ever amazed that this point of fact is not brought up more frequently and with more conviction. Hello? We&#8217;re allowing people in Europe to eat our poisoned meat!! Is killing people okay now with this plant owners? That is essentially what they are doing!! Horse slaughter is a sensitive and an emotional issue. I won&#8217;t say that emotions don&#8217;t enter into it. They do!! More than emotions, it&#8217;s an issue that screams of being a Right or Wrong issue! It&#8217;s wrong to betray the animal who&#8217;s been solely responsible for the state of our country today!! These animals have been our friend throughout our history! How is it right to condemn them to death when they&#8217;ve done so much. This is such a betrayal to what I deem to be one of God&#8217;s greatest gifts to mankind. And what do we do? Murder them in a most torturous way? C&#8217;mon people, how can this even be an issue to debate? And BTW the captive bolt does not kill a horse and more often than not, doesn&#8217;t even render them unconscious so it&#8217;s not at all in any way humane. Ms. Beaver of the AVMA has grossly broken her oath to cause no harm as does any Veterinarian who believes that slaughter is humane. It is cruel and torturous for these horses and I know this because I&#8217;ve been to the slaughter house and have seen it first hand. It is ugly and the cruelest end I&#8217;ve ever witnessed!! Don&#8217;t base your conclusions on these pro slaughter articles screaming we&#8217;ll have thousands of unwanted, neglected horses roaming the streets. This is just baloney and not any that should be bought or sold to the American public. I&#8217;m not basing my statements over the emotional issues. There are other factors that involve human health that are being overlooked. Get your facts straight and do some research. The facts are easy to find. They&#8217;re out there if you want to report truth!! Save some people, Don&#8217;t eat horses!!</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Lee Trevino</title>
		<link>http://totalrecoil.wordpress.com/2008/03/30/misguided-laws/#comment-3415</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Lee Trevino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Horses have been going to Mexico for slaughter longer than I can remember only secretly. Beltex had a plant in Fort Worth and in mexico.  Not until they were shut down and slightly before the Pro slaughter folks cried and lied to the public. Now exposed there still not doing nothing to protect the horses from going to mexico. They have never put any funds to protecting horses from going to slaughter. The AQHA and other associations are the main problem they feed the over breeders with profits and lies. They ignore laws and the will of the American People to abolish horse slaughter. The AVMA and the AAEP knew this for years horses were going to mexico and hauled in Double Deckers and did nothing they have taken an Oath in office to protect the horses and have failed.  We will abolish horse slaughter and all sellouts like the senator that holds our bill S311 from passage the same senator Larry Craig that got caught with his hand under another mans Urinals for sex and once found guilty he refused to step down and paid his $200,000 fines with his Campaign funds. We will not tolerate ignorance and sellouts in America. Horse slaughter promote abuse and neglect and also is a employment future for Illegals that pay no income tax if there a non resident. Nor did the US slaughter plants because there foreign owned and based overseas. May the Knowledge of Horse slaughter be Exposed and then Abolished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Horses have been going to Mexico for slaughter longer than I can remember only secretly. Beltex had a plant in Fort Worth and in mexico.  Not until they were shut down and slightly before the Pro slaughter folks cried and lied to the public. Now exposed there still not doing nothing to protect the horses from going to mexico. They have never put any funds to protecting horses from going to slaughter. The AQHA and other associations are the main problem they feed the over breeders with profits and lies. They ignore laws and the will of the American People to abolish horse slaughter. The AVMA and the AAEP knew this for years horses were going to mexico and hauled in Double Deckers and did nothing they have taken an Oath in office to protect the horses and have failed.  We will abolish horse slaughter and all sellouts like the senator that holds our bill S311 from passage the same senator Larry Craig that got caught with his hand under another mans Urinals for sex and once found guilty he refused to step down and paid his $200,000 fines with his Campaign funds. We will not tolerate ignorance and sellouts in America. Horse slaughter promote abuse and neglect and also is a employment future for Illegals that pay no income tax if there a non resident. Nor did the US slaughter plants because there foreign owned and based overseas. May the Knowledge of Horse slaughter be Exposed and then Abolished.</p>
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		<title>By: vicki</title>
		<link>http://totalrecoil.wordpress.com/2008/03/30/misguided-laws/#comment-3414</link>
		<dc:creator>vicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps if your blog was posted earlier this year, readers may have believed your comments. You are quoting Temple Grandin. A woman that consults on cattle slaughter facilities. Did you really think she would dismiss her own work? Have you read the investigative reports (complete with police records) that have proven that, with rare exception, the articles portraying abandoned horses and neglect are bogus? Are you aware that the abandonment and neglect statistics are no higher than when the domestic kill houses were open? Since slaughter is still available through the same channels – same kill buyers, same auctions and same feedlots, how do you arrive at the conclusion that ending slaughter is the cause of all horse woes? Where does the cost of hay and the economy come into play? Shouldn’t you wait until slaughter is gone before coming to those conclusions? And more to the point, if slaughter was the cure all, why aren’t the horses going to slaughter now? 

The laws were not passed because of emotions. That’s not to say this is not an emotional issue but there is no reason that a non food animal in this country should be slaughtered – for any reason. The Europeans can slaughter their own horses, not American Horses. If people cannot afford to care for a horse in life and in death, they have no business owning one. If breeders cannot care for the horses they bring into the world, they shouldn’t be breeding. Slaughter only promotes the breed and dump cycle. It’s time people took responsibility for their animals. They made a conscious decision to own or breed and they need to step up and not expect rescues or anyone to bail them out. They created their own mess and they can clean it up. BTW-if the rescues weren’t still rescuing from the kill buyers, there would be more room to take in horses for those owners that have truly fallen on hard times and can no longer afford their animal. The people that abuse and neglect their horses did so when the domestic kill houses were open and they’ll do so when slaughter is gone. There is no correlation between the two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps if your blog was posted earlier this year, readers may have believed your comments. You are quoting Temple Grandin. A woman that consults on cattle slaughter facilities. Did you really think she would dismiss her own work? Have you read the investigative reports (complete with police records) that have proven that, with rare exception, the articles portraying abandoned horses and neglect are bogus? Are you aware that the abandonment and neglect statistics are no higher than when the domestic kill houses were open? Since slaughter is still available through the same channels – same kill buyers, same auctions and same feedlots, how do you arrive at the conclusion that ending slaughter is the cause of all horse woes? Where does the cost of hay and the economy come into play? Shouldn’t you wait until slaughter is gone before coming to those conclusions? And more to the point, if slaughter was the cure all, why aren’t the horses going to slaughter now? </p>
<p>The laws were not passed because of emotions. That’s not to say this is not an emotional issue but there is no reason that a non food animal in this country should be slaughtered – for any reason. The Europeans can slaughter their own horses, not American Horses. If people cannot afford to care for a horse in life and in death, they have no business owning one. If breeders cannot care for the horses they bring into the world, they shouldn’t be breeding. Slaughter only promotes the breed and dump cycle. It’s time people took responsibility for their animals. They made a conscious decision to own or breed and they need to step up and not expect rescues or anyone to bail them out. They created their own mess and they can clean it up. BTW-if the rescues weren’t still rescuing from the kill buyers, there would be more room to take in horses for those owners that have truly fallen on hard times and can no longer afford their animal. The people that abuse and neglect their horses did so when the domestic kill houses were open and they’ll do so when slaughter is gone. There is no correlation between the two.</p>
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